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« on: October 15, 2008, 08:13:51 AM »

Good morning ! Can I use Bahasa Melayu and Bahasa Inggeris for my PPSMI class?
Some pupils does not understand English
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« Reply #1 on: October 15, 2008, 04:24:40 PM »


Hai Cikgu Caroline,

Well Cikgu , infact the use of other language for translation is not allowed unless it is the last resort. I know it is quite difficult when you try to make the students understand what you want them to know. But when you keep on drilling on certain sentence pattern that is usually being used and alwys do revisions on certain term and with the help of your teaching aids , I for sure say that there won't be any problem. Make the environment be condusive. Do some R&D in your teaching and learning process. Later you will see the fruit of success.....

Just sharing.....

Please don't ever use short cuts......Maybe easy but the impact will be different.
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« Reply #2 on: October 15, 2008, 08:08:30 PM »

well, I agree with Cikgu Jerome Harry, you can use BM for giving or introducing the words. Make your students familiar with the words and get them use it frequently (English). Attraction them, k
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« Reply #3 on: October 15, 2008, 09:05:16 PM »

yes , I agree with both of them . I do use Bm ,  but just when I get angry and I don't how to say it in English (sometimes) . If we use Bi in our T & L , our student will get use to it . Just a simple word , for example , if I say "Multiplication Table", my student will straight away know what to do . Thats mean they know what is Multiplication Table .
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« Reply #4 on: October 16, 2008, 09:58:50 AM »

Hi there,

I am sorry, my answer is simply "NO". This is somehow one of the very problems that we are facing - neglecting teaching and learning theories and ended up with our very own theories. There is no short cut to learning.

Revisit the theories and put them into practice. Pray before you teach and be patient.

Enjoy your teaching.
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« Reply #5 on: October 22, 2008, 08:31:57 PM »

yes you may but do not use direct translation... try to explain the meaning in English by giving example(s).  IF they still xunderstand after the example/explanation, then u can use BM 2 explain Roll Eyes last solution la kira
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« Reply #6 on: October 24, 2008, 03:37:03 PM »

Hello Cikgu;

Saya seringkali mendengar rintihan dan luahan hati guru - guru mengenai penggunaan BI dalam PPSMI. Persoalan yang sering kita dengar adalah, boleh kah guna BM untuk ajar ke, translate ke atau apa apa je semasa mengajar SN & MT?? Alasan kita: Sebab murid tak faham.....

Kemusykilan saya: Adakah BENAR murid tak faham Bahasa Inggeris atau memang Cikgu itu sendiri langsung tak BOLEH berbahasa Inggeris?

Kita sering mengingatkan murid bahawa: Berusaha untuk berjaya, maka mengapa Guru tidak berusaha untuk berjaya menguasai BI?Huh
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« Reply #7 on: October 24, 2008, 03:52:10 PM »

Persoalan yang menarik tu
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« Reply #8 on: November 04, 2008, 10:03:57 PM »

BOLEH dengan tujuan untuk mengulang semula soalan atau arahan sekiranya murid tak faham. Itu pendapat saya lah.
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« Reply #9 on: November 04, 2008, 10:48:55 PM »

saya sokong
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« Reply #10 on: November 04, 2008, 11:02:46 PM »

Janji pelajar faham ---- guna Bahasa Iban, Melanau, Cina, Bidayuh pun boleh kalau niat untuk memberi pemahaman kepada pelajar tetapi janganlah guna 100% sebab cikgu mengajar PPSMI. Penggunaan bahasa lain (bahasa Ibunda) pula mengikut majoriti pelajar atau semua pelajar faham bahasa yang cikgu gunakan. Kalau tidak bagus guna BM dan BI sahaja le atau BI 100%
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« Reply #11 on: November 08, 2008, 02:39:56 AM »

Janji pelajar faham ---- guna Bahasa Iban, Melanau, Cina, Bidayuh pun boleh kalau niat untuk memberi pemahaman kepada pelajar tetapi janganlah guna 100% sebab cikgu mengajar PPSMI. Penggunaan bahasa lain (bahasa Ibunda) pula mengikut majoriti pelajar atau semua pelajar faham bahasa yang cikgu gunakan. Kalau tidak bagus guna BM dan BI sahaja le atau BI 100%

This is an interesting one. I wonder how one justify that a "pelajar faham----". How are they going to answer questions? How if a question is, "“The class of warm-blooded vertebrate animals are such as…………………” And the students write "Ka'an, kelunan, bedok" as their answers!! Are we going to accept the answers (which is infact "four-legged animals, humans, apes" in the Penan language) or simply strike it off because we don't understand what they write?. Think about it.
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« Reply #12 on: November 08, 2008, 10:47:08 PM »

   I totally agree with Mr. Samuel's insight on this matter in which a Sc or Maths teacher must teach these subjects in English; hence the acronym PPSMI. In my opinion the success and the failure of PPSMI lies in our hands. I have taught in a rural school whereby 100% of the pupils are Ibans and yet they showed high percentage of passes. So, location does not matter, only a teacher's accountability and resposibility to impart knowledge in English does.
   The recent decision to allow the pupils to 'mix' these two languages in answering the UPSR Science paper will also be one of the contributing factors  towards the failure of PPSMI. With this, most if not all teachers will start reverting back ( if not already) to B.M for the sake of better UPSR percentage. It is clear and simple, if a pupil answer in a 'rojak' sentence then the teacher has been teaching in B.M thus going against the directive of the circular. If teachers teach in English, then the pupils will not be able to know or use a scientific or mathematical term in B.M, do they?
    I really salute any Sc or Maths teachers (in SK Asyakirin and everwhere else) who see this as a challenge and showed their best effort to support the policy.
 
 
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« Reply #13 on: November 14, 2008, 11:21:32 AM »

Yang penting disini ialah pelajar perlu memberikan respon dalam BI. Jadi jika guru menggunakan BM, adakah pelajar kita akan mengunakan BI untuk menjawab nanti? Saya faham pelajar hanya menggunakan BI untuk beberapa waktu saja di sekolah, tetapi jangan terkejut jika guru BI juga mendwi-bahasakan P&P mereka.

PPSMI = Pengajaran dan Pembelajaran Sains & Matematik dalam Bahasa Inggeris

PPSMI = Pengajaran dan Pembelajaran Sains & Matematik dalam Bahasa Ibunda.

Banyak yang perlu difikirkan semula...
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« Reply #14 on: November 24, 2008, 01:03:09 PM »

Let's look beyond the polemic and let's be pragmatic rather than dogmatic, let's progressing rather than digressing.
Perhaps it may sound far-fetched, teachers need to upgrade themselves in relearning English, and if you are not capable to deliver your lessons in English, its apt that you should do remedial actions. Take up English courses and it is never to late to study again.
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« Reply #15 on: December 10, 2008, 01:35:48 AM »

Got to review the basic principles for teaching Science and Mathematics in English. Could it be done that way and why? If your answer is to make the students understand the concept and contents why not? But if u do that just because you yourself doesn't want to teach in English and your English language command is poor I think that's another story.
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« Reply #16 on: December 10, 2008, 12:27:14 PM »

A very brilliant idea and commentary Cikgu Mohd Sabli and I fully support your opinion. Eloquently phrased and precisely stated and I do hope that our teachers, especially teachers of English and PPSMI to take up the challenge in improving themselves. It's not only for the students but more importantly towards their own self-advancement career wise.
Thank you Cikgu Mohd and I hope that one day, we can re-discover back the Sarawak's education of the 50's and 60's when the standard of English amongst Sarawakians were the envy of others.
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« Reply #17 on: December 10, 2008, 12:47:29 PM »

Im Also argee with all of you, no matter how poor our english is, we are responsible to teach them in english for Sc N Maths Subjects, Just use bahasa ibunda for some translations only...
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« Reply #18 on: December 10, 2008, 12:57:44 PM »

We try our best to teach SC and MT in BI. Whether your BI good or poor, the important things is what you want to teach your students understand and they know what are they learn for that day..
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« Reply #19 on: December 10, 2008, 01:04:49 PM »

Sabarlah cikgu.... Rome was not build in a day... Also Thomas Edison did not invent the Light Bulb in one try..... But dear teachers.... you should not be shy and give up easily with excuse that you can't teach in English
Give it a try and more tries... You will get the hang of it (Kata org, mula2 kekok tapi lama kelamaan dah biasa...  Grin).
The allowance paid for PPSMI is not for you to spend anyhow... It is hoped that with it, the teachers should use it wisely to obtain some useful teaching materials and to improve themselves with proper skills.... ok?Huh  Grin
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