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« Reply #20 on: December 10, 2008, 05:15:11 PM »

The most important thing now is Struggle to win the heart of our kids and make our heart willing to learn English for Communication and Eduction. The rest we leave aside.
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« Reply #21 on: December 11, 2008, 02:28:09 PM »


Hi everybody,

If we look at the question " Can I use BM and BI for my PPSMI class?"
to me the answer is "No" to BM , but "Yes" to BI.  I do agree as what Mr Kumaravello said ;
Yang penting disini ialah pelajar perlu memberikan respon dalam BI. Jadi jika guru menggunakan BM, adakah pelajar kita akan mengunakan BI untuk menjawab nanti? Saya faham pelajar hanya menggunakan BI untuk beberapa waktu saja di sekolah, tetapi jangan terkejut jika guru BI juga mendwi-bahasakan P&P mereka.

and so the same to Mr Joseph;
I do hope that our teachers, especially teachers of English and PPSMI to take up the challenge in improving themselves. It's not only for the students but more importantly towards their own self-advancement career wise.

and to Cikgu Rani too ;
    In my opinion the success and the failure of PPSMI lies in our hands. So, location does not matter, only a teacher's accountability and resposibility to impart knowledge in English does.
   The recent decision to allow the pupils to 'mix' these two languages in answering the UPSR Science paper will also be one of the contributing factors  towards the failure of PPSMI. With this, most if not all teachers will start reverting back ( if not already) to B.M for the sake of better UPSR percentage. It is clear and simple, if a pupil answer in a 'rojak' sentence then the teacher has been teaching in B.M thus going against the directive of the circular.

All these comment are about how we have to improve ourselves to improve PPSMI....... We know that teachers are trying hard to adapt themselves in T&L PPSMI because of the command in English. Meaning that we have to improve oursellves before we can teach others. The point is that we teach is not because of the allowances given , but we teach because we love to teach and make it a challenge in life that we are not a virus of failure every new things being introduce.( especially using sensitive issues ) If we have tired very hard , there is no word of failure appear...... success comes from the mind and heart , not from the feeling.......

Just sharing..........
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« Reply #22 on: December 11, 2008, 02:44:44 PM »

Viewing on the other side of it, we as teachers too could improve our command in language itself and this is very important because we have kids and we have to teach or kids using this English Language no doubt Bahasa Malaysia is still the major Language.
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« Reply #23 on: December 11, 2008, 03:24:31 PM »

Viewing on the other side of it, we as teachers too could improve our command in language itself and this is very important because we have kids and we have to teach or kids using this English Language no doubt Bahasa Malaysia is still the major Language.

Memang betul.....
PPSMI perlu diajar dalam English.... Guru tak perlu was was.....
Kedudukan BM tak tergugat langsung... Dah termaktub dalam Perlembagaan....
Jangan risau dgn kelemahan diri atau pendapat org lain....
Jika rasa lemah atau kurang berkeyakinan, ambil langkah utk perbaiki diri....  Grin
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« Reply #24 on: December 14, 2008, 10:42:29 PM »

 In my opinion you should teach in BI as you are an optionist in that subject.  If you are not confident in using the language, there are also scripts and teaching strategies given in MyCD  of the subject.Furthermore, the Buddy support program in schools are there to help and lastly the BISP given can be used to go for tuition class and buying references.
If you use Bm it will affect them especially in their performance in UPSR .This is because they are confused. Never give up.....
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« Reply #25 on: December 15, 2008, 09:47:51 AM »

It is wonderful and a true mind opening after reading all the comments made by our members.
I believe the main stumbling block is not the students nor the school environment for these two aspects can be rectified or corrected, but rather the teachers themselves. Tecahers are the instigators or the originators and as such if teachers are confidence and know  thier subject matters well besides being prepared grammatically, I am sure the process of teaching PPSMI classes can be carried out.
To put the blames on the students as being not interested to use and to understand English is a very self-defeatist attitude and an under-statement. The same goes with blaming the school's environment is something that we can't use to justify the not using of English in PPSMI classes.
It is my hope that all tecahers who are involved with the PPSMI classes use English fully in your teaching and make it a practise to speak English with your students either inside the classroom environment or outside class time. Get the students use to English and I am sure if we are able to do that, we are on the right track. We may not see the result immediately but in the long run, what we have set-out to do now will be equally rewarded in years to come.
To all teachers of PPSMI, I would suggest a few books for your reference.
a. Vision Focus on Grammar, by Academy of Language Studies, Universiti Teknologi MARA.
2. Essential College English, A Grammar, Punctuation, and Writing Workbook, Pearson Education.
Those two books deal in detail on grammar, sentence formations and writing.
So teachers, better ourselves and with our newly acquired knowledge of English and skills in English, you are on the proper path into becoming a competent and confident teacher of PPSMI.
Just something to share and ponder.
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« Reply #26 on: December 15, 2008, 10:33:03 AM »

It is wonderful and a true mind opening after reading all the comments made by our members.
I believe the main stumbling block is not the students nor the school environment for these two aspects can be rectified or corrected, but rather the teachers themselves. Tecahers are the instigators or the originators and as such if teachers are confidence and know  thier subject matters well besides being prepared grammatically, I am sure the process of teaching PPSMI classes can be carried out.
To put the blames on the students as being not interested to use and to understand English is a very self-defeatist attitude and an under-statement. The same goes with blaming the school's environment is something that we can't use to justify the not using of English in PPSMI classes.
It is my hope that all tecahers who are involved with the PPSMI classes use English fully in your teaching and make it a practise to speak English with your students either inside the classroom environment or outside class time. Get the students use to English and I am sure if we are able to do that, we are on the right track. We may not see the result immediately but in the long run, what we have set-out to do now will be equally rewarded in years to come.
To all teachers of PPSMI, I would suggest a few books for your reference.
a. Vision Focus on Grammar, by Academy of Language Studies, Universiti Teknologi MARA.
2. Essential College English, A Grammar, Punctuation, and Writing Workbook, Pearson Education.
Those two books deal in detail on grammar, sentence formations and writing.
So teachers, better ourselves and with our newly acquired knowledge of English and skills in English, you are on the proper path into becoming a competent and confident teacher of PPSMI.
Just something to share and ponder.

I really agree with you sir. Thanks for giving us the references and if we really want to help the pps  in a long run we as teachers must  teach in BI as stated in the circular. In my opinion, if the test papers are not in dwi bahasa it will make the teachers  struggle to teach in whatever way in English.
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« Reply #27 on: December 15, 2008, 08:55:37 PM »

Thank you C. Joseph R. for recommending some useful books for our teachers. Hope they can get the books and fully utilise it....  Grin
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« Reply #28 on: December 15, 2008, 09:17:13 PM »

Teachers can reply in BM too.
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« Reply #29 on: December 16, 2008, 09:47:40 AM »

Thanks for all the comments made on my posting in this web and to all teachers, I have this to say, 'I salute you and I am very proud of you all'. Indeed our present society always and will be always finding faults and drawbacks amongst teachers, but do not let small hiccups to stop or to curtail your desire to better and to prepare our students academically and holistically. Take the problems in your stride and in whatever you do, always bear this in mind, 'YOU ARE THE MASTER OF THE SITUATION', and no one can deny that right, not even your immediate superiors.
To all teachers from outside Sarawak, I have this advice for you, 'Learn to assimilate yourselves into the local environment and be involved with the community where you are serving. Open your mind and change your mindset to accomodate new experiences and enjoy the chance to know new cultures of the people where you are serving. Once your service is over, you will always recall back the many memories of the place where you have served, and the students that you have managed to change'.
To all fellow Sarawakian teachers, I have this to ask of you, 'Do kindly explain and tell your students about the problem of alcoholism amongst our general population.'
And to all Iban teachers, 'Do kindly use your good office to let the people in the longhouses about the ills and the negative impacts of alcoholic drinks amongst the Ibans.' I am not making a sweeping statement if I were to say that alcoholism amongst the Ibans will one day brings down our society and our furture as a race if we don't do anything now to stop it while it is still in a curable stage'.
So whatever is our race, creed or religious viewpoints, one thing for sure, we are all teachers and as such we are the catalyst to determine what Malaysia will be in years to come. We may not be able to see the results now but in years to come, whatever that we sow now will bear fruits, and the quality of the fruits that we are going to harvest in the future depends very much in what we are sowing now.
This long writing is to show how with words we can paint some beautiful or sad pictures of life, and with words too, we can express ourselves in ways that are easily understood by our readers. With the mastery of the English or Bahasa Malaysia languages, we are able to say that, 'YES, I AM THE MASTER OF MY SITUATION AND I AM VERY PROUD OF IT.' Nothing is wrong to make ourselves feel better for the positive feeling will act as a positive catalyst into turning us as better teachers. So teachers, always praise yourselves for the jobs well-done. You deserve praises for what you have contributed and will contribute in the future.
You are the vanguard of the country.
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« Reply #30 on: December 16, 2008, 10:00:19 AM »

Thank you Mr Joseph
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« Reply #31 on: December 16, 2008, 12:21:59 PM »

Thaks for the long advice....
To my fellow Teachers from Outside Sarawak... Do take Cikgu Joseph's advice and pointers... I believe if we were not posted to Sarawak, we would never have thought to set foot in Sarawak...
Fact is: It's cheaper to go to HK or Philippines than Sarawak.... So since we are here, make the best of it... Learn and gain new experiences.... I know.... I've been here for 20 years....  Grin

To all fellow teachers, regardless where you are from or now posted to.... follow his advice:
"With the mastery of the English or Bahasa Malaysia languages, we are able to say that, 'YES, I AM THE MASTER OF MY SITUATION AND I AM VERY PROUD OF IT.'"  Grin
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« Reply #32 on: December 16, 2008, 04:28:06 PM »

I may not be teaching in school anymore but once a teacher will always be a teacher. If we were to live in ancient Greece or Rome about 2,000 years ago, perhaps we were not called as teachers but rather as philosophers. So we are following in the footsteps of classical thinkers and teachers like Socrates, Aristotle, Cicero, Marcus Aurelius of which whose writings and thoughts influence us up to today.
I know it may not be easy to master scientific and mathematical terms in English but for as long as we are willing to learn, we can overcome our weaknesses and in the process, knowing our own ability. This realisation will help to spur you on in improving yourself.
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« Reply #33 on: December 17, 2008, 12:17:57 AM »

I know it may not be easy to master scientific and mathematical terms in English but for as long as we are willing to learn, we can overcome our weaknesses and in the process, knowing our own ability. This realisation will help to spur you on in improving yourself.

You are right Cikgu Joseph R. It would not be easy to switch from BM to English after the teacher had been schooled in BM themselves.... but he or she must start somewhere... It is just the reverse when it was switched from English to BM in 1972....
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« Reply #34 on: December 17, 2008, 08:21:53 AM »

As a conclusion....... teachers should show the good example first before adapting the so call Teaching and Learning of Science and Mathematics in English by struggling the hardest way possible to "master" this language. There's no doubt in our mind that the functionality of this language in the teaching and learning environment in the classroom is very much depended on the ability and the capability of the teachers themselves. The students will be the number 2 priority.
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« Reply #35 on: December 17, 2008, 10:32:06 AM »

Agreed. Lets work hard to make PPSMI a non issue.... Convince the people to believe and be assured that PPSMI will work....  Grin
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« Reply #36 on: December 29, 2008, 11:22:17 PM »

Good morning ! Can I use Bahasa Melayu and Bahasa Inggeris for my PPSMI class?
Some pupils does not understand English

Kalau murid yang 'fluent', bolehlah guna bahasa inggeris yang 'power'.
Kalau murid yang 'fair', gunakan perkataan yang 'simple'

Bahan latihan mun mesti dibezakan, sederhana dan susah.

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« Reply #37 on: December 29, 2008, 11:25:13 PM »

Dah namanya 'I' untuk Inggeris, maka guna sajalah bahasa inggeris, kalau tak 'pekat', gunalah bahasa inggeris stail kita sendiri, asalkan murid2 seronok dan faham.
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« Reply #38 on: January 02, 2009, 11:39:04 PM »

Dah namanya 'I' untuk Inggeris, maka guna sajalah bahasa inggeris, kalau tak 'pekat', gunalah bahasa inggeris stail kita sendiri, asalkan murid2 seronok dan faham.

Saya rasa itu memang bergantung kpd situasi guru itu.... Kalau dah budak semuanya memang dah mahir dan fasih English, takkan pula guru nak guna BM atau broken English kan kan?
Kalau senario pelajar kurang mahir atau lemah pula, guru perlu permudahkan Englishnya TAPI istilah MESTI kekal dlm English yg betul... apabila mereka dah semakin fasih dan dah biasa, maka guru boleh pertingkatkan 'level of difficulty' utk English yg digunakan...
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« Reply #39 on: April 25, 2009, 07:04:56 PM »

For me, the situation is gonna be like this, if we want to teach in English, just use English only. Its very hard to teach Bahasa Malaysia by using English, right? Same as English, its too difficult when we try to teach English in other languages...... Dont forget about DICTIONARY, one of the English best friend.... Grammar? Forget about it as long as pupils can hit the question correctly.... Perhaps, by the time being, pupils and teachers will improve themselves..... So do i, even though i use broken grammar, it doesnt matter as long as other parties can understand what i'm trying to say.... Grin
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