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Author Topic: UJIAN PRA UPSR 2008 SERAGAM PERINGKAT NEGERI SARAWAK ?  (Read 6011 times)
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« Reply #20 on: June 10, 2008, 11:00:37 AM »


Hai , good morning, how's everything?

Please don't be sorry and no need to apologise. This is a good way to brainstorm ourselves to find out the best solution to improve the standard and quality of our education since now we are in the 21st century. I like this way of healthy discussion. Don't worry Dylan....

Well , to be simple , MaCS programme is a documented programme where we need facts and figures to prove one's performance. It's not just a comment like ;

example:
   " Murid ini perlu meningkatkan kelemahannya"

but;
   " Murid ini perlu beri perhatian dalam penulisan terutama
               dari segi ejaan. "

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« Reply #21 on: June 10, 2008, 04:37:05 PM »

Hi all,
 Just back from Sebuyau about two hours ago to witness the official Opening ceremony of Batang Sadong Bridge ( Sebuyau Bridge ) by our Prime Minister . It's extremely hot day waiting at the the Sebuyau bridge with a huge crowd plus a long queue......

Constructive and practical ideas are vital in any arguments. I don't really get what dyle mean in the first place. I do agree with Jerome that u dont hv to feel sorry for any comments. What matter most here to me is how we can strive for the betterment for our state education system / approached.   
     
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« Reply #22 on: June 10, 2008, 09:04:39 PM »

Here are the straight forward points,

First, Macs is a good program.. and yes it is..
But its a burden pile of works..I mean look at the teachers now days..partially teachers are not only doing a teaching job like what they have to deal with before..now they have to do both jobs ... like office and teaching ...
We have almost 800 ++ schools existed in the state.. thats numbers is not including the secondary schools...
and Macs they are consist of more thing in the file... and its seem hard to conduct...
So, thats where my thought suddenly asking to the founder of this program, to try to change the tools in the macs, a bit and try to simplify it in a simple format to run it on ....

and totally...

agreed with the alternative of having the same test paper for the trial test around the state is better and the program was having a similar evaluation with macs..

e.g
Like in Baram before (back in previous years within 1997 to 2000+) ... we have the same test paper for the zone... and the result was great..
We can do the analysis on the result..
Find the weaknesses and solve it with planned program together..
Construct a tool and guides line to improve the result which is not only focusing on one aspect so it has  the integration between to pass the exam and learning the subject taught....

Its work with comparing rather than justifying... This will come with competition and everyone will try to proof their ability in achieving the thing called as success..



I think, I don't have enough space to mention all of the things in here.. I hope you've got the clues on what I'm saying here 


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« Reply #23 on: June 11, 2008, 08:06:19 AM »


 Hai,

To start off , it may be difficult for the first time because we have to get use to the programme.It takes time. Just like the implementation of the PPSMI in 2002 ( announcement ) 2003
( implementation ) and now 2008 ( the first PPSMI cohort sitting for UPSR ). We did discuss about the common paper , but it is true and I agree with what our Sector Head of the Academic said that there are too much of the test paper ( JPN,PPG,PPDK,MGB,Schools ). All are planning to improve. What we need now, how much we have prepared our students with all our load of experiences,techniques and effort to sit for the exam..... Back to basic....

The only thing , is that , there is no 'shortcut' , and we don't want to produce 'shortcuts' students.......

Just sharing....

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« Reply #24 on: June 13, 2008, 03:12:39 PM »

I don't think what I have said was about short cut... things..
Its about quick decision on how to overcome some problems and it was planned...and had been updated time to time..
and even sometime shortcut saved our time and energy we can have more work rather than just focusing on one matter while there are more other things that we need to deal up too.
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« Reply #25 on: July 03, 2008, 07:40:57 PM »

Askum dan salam sejahtera kepada rakan guru
Saya begitu tertarik dengan beberapa idea yang dilontarkan oleh penyumbang diruangan ini. Mungkin saya ingin berkongsi pengalaman tentang penggubalan soalan untuk Ujian Pra UPSR yang di seragamkan. Kami di daerah Kuching baru saja selesai mengadakan Ujian Pra UPSR pada hari Rabu.Saya mempunyai pengalaman menyediakan soalan untuk daerah Kuching selama beberapa tahun (utk mp Sains).Pada saya bukan mudah untuk menyediakan soalan yang boleh diterima semua sekolah di daerah kuching. Setiap tahun pelbagai masalah timbul tentang ketidakpuasan para guru terhadap soalan yg kami sediakan. Malah ada yg sanggup untuk menggunakan kertas tersebut atas alasan bahawa kertas itu tidak berkualiti dan tidak sesuai dengan keperluan sekolah mereka.Kadang-kadang terasa juga telinga ini mendengar cakap-cakap sinis yg dilontarkan kepada kami.Kami juga sering mendapatkan soalan dari semenanjung malaysia yang terkini malah ada yg belum diuji di negeri mereka.Kami selitkan juga dalam soalan yg kami bina berdasarkan JSU yang telah kami rancang.Tetapi sebagai manusia masih ada yg katakan bahawa soalan itu kurang baik.Oleh itu, saya rasakan bahawa adalah lebih baik jika soalan Pra UPSR hanya disediakan untuk sekolah dalam zon yg lebih kecil yang sanggup untuk menggunakan kertas tersebut dan bukan atas arahan.Panggilkan guru yg telah mewakili daerah masing-masing yang telah menghadiri kursus tentang item dan konstrak ujian sebagai panel penggubal.
Saya juga bersetuju bahawa peranan guru di sekolah itu sangat penting agar 'proses belajar' itu benar berlaku.
Sekian , sekadar ingin berkongsi idea.Buat Cikgu Yii Ah Lek, semoga berjaya. 
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« Reply #26 on: July 18, 2008, 09:33:19 AM »

Saya berpendapat tidak perlu begitu banyak perkara yang diseragamkan, kerana tujuan sebenar pendidikan bukan untuk menyeragamkan manusia. Peperiksaan awam/seragam yang dikendalikan oleh LPM supaya memadai untuk kita semua.

Biar sekolah sahaja yang melakukan proses pendidikan yang berkesan untuk murid-murid. Jangan pihak PPG/D dan JPN jadi sebuah LPM lagi!

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« Reply #27 on: July 20, 2008, 12:17:59 PM »

Mr Goh, konsep utama ialah untuk mencuba satu ujian yang sama dan mungkin kita buat sekali sahaja diseragamkan memandangkan kita buat ujian percubaan upsr berkali kali dan..kita boleh ambil keputusan itu untuk buat anlisis kelemahan dan sebagainya ..... Kita bincang tentang kerjasama kita semua bukan meletakkan tanggujawab itu di atas bahu pihak tertentu...
kalau macam itu kenapa tak buat Soalan UPSR sendiri di sekolah tak perlu seragam ujian itu lagi... Wink kan kenapa?  Wink

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« Reply #28 on: July 22, 2008, 10:16:48 PM »

Saya rasa terpanggil balik balik untuk berdiskusi dengan rakan-rakan dalam forum ini khusus mengenai topik yang dicadangkan . Pada pendapat saya apa yang dicadangkan oleh rakan kita dari PPG Sri Aman tu bukan perkara baru tetapi terkebelakang kerana dari zaman dulu lagi ujian/peperiksaan memang dijalankan oleh pihak sekolah semata-mata. Persoalan asal saya di mana kita berada selama ini lebih-lebih lagi tentang untung nasib murid-murid atau pelajar-pelajar yang berada nun jauh di kawasan pedalaman ?

Seperkara lagi, ujian seragam bukan bertujuan untuk menyeragamkan manusia. Teori mana yang dipakai tu. Ujian dan peperiksaan diadakan untuk menguji pembelajaran murid/pelajar dari segi kognitif belum lagi termasuk aspek afektif , sahsiah, psikologi dan psikomotor. Cuba lihat contoh Ujian Diagnostik untuk Tahun 4 hingga 6 dan Ujian Diagnostik untuk T3 & T4 sekarang yang sedang dilaksanakan di sekolah rendah dan menengah yang begitu komprehensif . Bukankah ianya satu ujian / penilaian seragam di seluruh negara bagi membantu murid menguasai setiap topik dan kemahiran yang diajar kepada mereka.

Janganlah kita hanya melihat orang lain atau LPM/ JPN semata-mata untuk berbuat atau mengarahkan sesuatu baru kita tergerak untuk memikirkan kaedah / pendekatan yang hendak dilaksanakan. Apa yang penting semua harus bekerjasama untuk menjayakan sesuatu dan tidak hanya menyerahkan bulat-bulat semuanya kepada pihak sekolah untuk bertindak. Sekadar renungan.
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« Reply #29 on: July 23, 2008, 12:34:51 AM »

Saya bersetuju dengan pendapat Mr Yii...Ujian seragam bukan untuk menyeragamkan manusia,tetapi sebagai agen pengukuran yang seragam.dengan kata lain kita ada mekanisma dan standard pengukuran / penilaian yang digunapakai bersama.Memang bagi sesetengah pendapat mengatakan bahawa tahap prestasi murid berlainan di setiap sekolah, akan tetapi kita yakin dan percaya bahawa sukatan pelajaran adalah serupa.Apa yang murid patut pelajari dan perolehi di peringkat dan tahap tertentu sememangnya sama. Cuma tinggal :1. peranan guru sebagai pemudah cara ok ke tak ok ?
                    2. sejauh manakah pengajaran kita berkesan?
                    3.adakah strategi yang kita guna mampu memberi impak                          positif?
                    4.pernahkah kita menilai perbandingan sasaran dan TOV ,
                        serta membuat perancangan untuk mencapai target?
                   
Hasilnya.....dapat dilihat melalui ujian.
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« Reply #30 on: July 23, 2008, 12:19:29 PM »

Nowadays we are try to move toward school based assessment and classroom assessment, which is more formative in nature. Then, only the assessment making sense for our kids. Peoples say that is assessment for learning. The district based unifrom test, for me is only to redo what LPM did. The purpose is only one, to have more drilling for students, so that they will do better in the LPM exam and to please some peoples, not to making sense for students. Is that the meaning of education?

Then, please read:

 Daniel Cottom (2003), Why Education id Useless?, University of Pennsylvania Press, Philadelphia.

M. Bakri Musa (2003), An Education system worthy of Malaysia, Strategic Information Research Development, Kuala Lumpur.


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« Reply #31 on: July 23, 2008, 06:04:59 PM »

topik yang bagus! sekiranya di peringkat upsr (tahun 6) saya lebih suka sekiranya kertas ujian semester dan pra-upsr digubal oleh guru-guru yang berpengalaman atau ju-ju negeri/kebangsaan/guru pakar. dan d peringkat bahagian pula ju-ju bahagian/guru2 pakar menggubal soalan ujian semester bagi tahun 1-5. guru-guru peringkat sekolah pula mbuat soalan-soalan ujian bulanan & topikal bagi sekolah masing2. cadangan ja...
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« Reply #32 on: July 23, 2008, 11:30:47 PM »

Idea yang baik. Saya percaya dengan kemajuan ICT, soalan PRA UPSR boleh 'upload' ke internet storage untuk memudahkan pendidik download.
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« Reply #33 on: July 24, 2008, 12:27:07 AM »

Sesuatu yang boleh dilaksanakan untuk meningkatkan prestasi upsr negeri sarawak. Good idea, saya percaya guru-guru di Sarawak mampu merealisasikan idea ini.
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